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  • Beyond disgusting. Unappreciated, rude, ignorant! There must be consequences. Huge fines and signs saying that people parole the beach, police will be contacted. If I see it, I make a lot of noise but some may be fearful. We need to do something to protect this precious gift!!!!

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  • This is terrible!! Such pigs!!!

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  • This beach is a GEM in this city and should be cared for top notch. The carry in/carry out program is CLEARLY not working. It’s time to make a change. Charge an extra dollar per car and hand out a trash bag to each vechile..That trash bag should be CLEARLY labeled with trash instructions. A trash receptacle to be placed in the parking lot for easy disposal and should be picked up at the end of each beach day by the city. The money collected from the parking ($1.00) per car should be able to pay for this….

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  • Over here if they can identify the offenders they will be cited and have there day in court! Most I am afraid are not caught! Very sad! :-O Dave

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  • Yo kid, bro. If I wanna play spike ball with my lax compadres I will. You inbred townies need to chill. That’s why we pay the expensive parking prices

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  • How long will it take for people to realize that Carry In/Carry Out will NEVER work. This isn’t rocket science, folks. Nearly every other city with a beach has already figured this out — and we’ve been to a lot of cities with beaches. It’s quite simple. You put lots of barrels on the beaches both for trash and recycling and empty them regularly. Don’t let anybody tell you that’s an expensive proposition. It’s not. Then you impose steep fines for littering and enforce them. Litter enforcement can be a revenue positive proposition — and it might even cover the cost of trash removal too.

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    • Donna Joyce Viau

      Sorry you feel that way Vicki and Peter…too bad..I just wrote a post on the history of the Carry In Carry Out because I was co-chair of the then Clean City Commission that put if forth…You need to read what I wrote i fit gets approved to post. Perhaps you will have a greater awareness of the real reasons for the program. Ranting negativity about how something doesn’t work does not find resolution. We worked like dogs on our own dime BECAUSE all the things you are mentioning like using beach funds, covered barrels, recycle barrels, daily crews, multiple daily cleanup/barrel emptying, fines and citations, we went over and over and over with the city officials and DPW to NO avail. So unless you have a magic wand that can get the city to be responsible for all your comments, good luck. Maybe it is possible…go for it….

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  • Donna Joyce Viau

    It kind of fascinates when people write negative things about the Carry In Carry Out Program on Good Harbor, Wingaersheek, Plum Cove and NIles Beach. I can’t help but wonder where these folks were when this all took place, Many people seem to have all kinds of comments on how bad it can be and also seem to think the answers are right there in our faces with “the city should do this or that”…not so simple. I was the co-chair of the Clean City Commission which facilitated the program. We were a group of volunteers that were paid nothing, no budget but yet had to be recognized officially by the city. We did things like Earth Day cleanups, rail track cleanups, wet land cleanups, school cleanups, parade route cleanups, BEACH cleanups. We got the grant for the City Block kids to have summer jobs to clean up Gloucester which is now run by the YMCA. We busted ourselves constantly, tried to make businesses and neighborhood homes accountable…We DID ALOT !!!!!!! again no budget just our sweat. I was on it for 7 years, with about 4 as co-chair. Unfortunately we wore ourselves out and got discouraged with no real city support, not just from officials ( who did care but kept saying no money) but mostly NOT ENOUGH SUPPORT from the community. We researched the Carry In Carry Out Program in other areas for one year before putting it to the city. We were told point of fact that the dirty rusty dented blue barrels could and would only be emptied in the early morning. The city would rake the beach and all the seaweed and debris would be piled behind the dunes. Lifeguards and beach workers were not responsible to clean at all as it was not part of the job. We tried to get the slush vendor folks to switch to paper cone cups that would at least be biodegradable but NO, they had to have plastic straws and cups. No citations or fines given at all on the beaches….So we knew we had to do something. The barrels were full by NOON with folks just leaning more trash, styrofoam coolers and broken chairs up against full barrels. Gulls and Bees everywhere. In the night we documented rats, skunks and coons. The beaches made front page news with barrels !!!! In the night people were getting into the parking lot to dump TVs, microwaves and even a couch all by the dumpster that use to be in the parking lot. Unreal. SO….with all this knowledge and like I said we had to do something. We told the DPW at the time all kinds of possibilities and scenarios. We did the research for the barrels that have covers on them but due to expense they could only purchase some. Money Money Money was always the problem but we were trying to find a resolution NOT excuse. The DPW staff lessened by mid day with essentially a skeleton crew on after NOON on Fridays and Weekends. It isn’t even about them…it is about PEOPLE BEING ACCOUNTABLE. People bring coolers, sandy wet towels and beach chairs home, well bring home your trash and recycle. Teens can bring a knapsack or beach bag and bring home their trash and recycle. This isn’t rocket science, just effort and respect. There were meetings at city hall, we did a powerpoint presentation and were given one trial summer. The CCC went to task. My husband designed and handpainted the logos at Good Harbor and Wingaersheek Beaches, He designed the logos and metal signs for the boardwalks ( metal signs donated plus we got a private stipend). We notified every Chamber of Commerce within an hour of what we were doing. We did knapsack day at the high school and schools to tell kids how to help. We notified every hotel, motel and B&B on Cape Ann about the program. We wrote articles for the papers to go out in neighboring towns with our logo. That summer we documented weekly how it was going. WE ( the mayor, police chief, DPW director and city council members) walked Good Harbor and Wingaersheek Labor Day weekend of that summer. The difference was amazing. We presented another powerpoint and the program officially past. It did so well we later added Niles and Plum Cove. It has OVERALL been a success over the years with some definite bad days. BARRELS are not the answer…PEOPLE are. Irresponsible Dog owners make it bad for good ones…we see the bad because we see the poop bags on the beach or just the poop…not just at the beaches but everywhere. We see people put cigarette butts wherever they want, in the sand, out the car window, along every curbside. Cigarettes take up to 10 years or more to biodegrade because the filters are made of plastic. Heaven forbid but what did we do before everyone having to buy plastic water bottles….oh yeah, we used a bubbler or filled up a thermos…well now we can put filters on faucets, use tap water and fill a refillable bottle to take home. Plastic bags are everywhere…PLASTIC is KILLING SEALIFE. the blame game has got to stop….wherever you see a full barrel someone will still try to put something on top anyway or lean something against it to become someone else’s problem. It is becoming the EARTH’S Problem and the OCEAN’S problem. Everyone is more concerned about convenience rather than ACCOUNTABILITY and RESPONSIBILITY.

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  • Looks like it is DPW that is stuck with the carrying out part, one way or another, and we are all paying for it. I’d prefer to be paying for catching the slobs who are doing this and collecting some stiff fines from them.

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  • Thank you everyone for your comments. Thank you Donna for providing some history on the how we got to Carry In Carry Out. I think the problem is multi-pronged. Reading about other communities, beaches, and national parks that have removed barrels, they have the same issues, with folks leaving their trash in piles where cans used to exist and folks simply not picking up after themselves whether there were barrels or not.

    The main issue is that the plastic garbage is getting into the oceans and the question is how can we prevent it from continuing to happen.

    1) Impose hefty fines for littering. Use the income to pay for the enforcers.
    2) Continue to educate people about carry in, carry out.
    3) Restore large, covered trash barrels, and empty them morning, noon, and at the end of the day. Charge 35.00 per car to cover the cost.
    4) Not only are trash barrels needed, but plastic recycling bins are a must as well.

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    • Donna Joyce Viau

      while I can appreciate what you are saying, anyone who doesn’t know the history or understand it does not realize that the beach money goes into the GENERAL fund for the city. The DPW says they cannot and will not empty more than once in the morning due to not the access to get on to do so while beach is populated not to mention man power they say they don’t have and the lack of staffing on weekends. We begged for all these things. There just wasn’t city staff/enforcers to impose the fines. We checked on history of actual fines/citations for any littering in the city and there was next to nothing. WE exhausted all these suggestions and unfortunately many people don’t accept that. If anyone can change the city’s stand on these issues have at it….Barrels will never be the answer under our current system/schedule. So someone can get a full staff to have access to empty barrels 3x per day, a legal official to patrol beaches giving out citations by all means Try. It is the PEOPLE and I will say that till I’m blue in the face. The education has to include Respect . I have a facebook page called CLEAN UP Gloucester. I hear there is a new Clean City Commission these days with some former members. Maybe some of the people with all these views should check it out. Right now I’ve been busy for the last 5 years cleaning my neighborhood over around Gloucester Ave. 65 Yellow Bags here in 5 years….I hate counting. People can get Yellow bags at the DPW to clean wherever they want and call the DPW for pick up. Schools getting out and kids party on the beaches…they are not about to carry out the beer cans. FYI

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    • Vickie & Peter

      Kim you hit the nail on the head. Bravo! It is certainly reasonable to ask people to carry their trash off the beach and put it into a barrel (or hopefully a recycling bin). But it is simply NOT reasonable to ask people to put stinky trash into their hot cars and drive it home — especially when they’ve paid good money to use the beach.

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      • Not reasonable to clean up after yourself? Seriously???? If you want to enjoy the beach, you need to help take care of it. Whatever happened to respect for the earth, for other people who would like to enjoy the beautiful resources you are trashing? Putting your trash in a bag and taking it home is easy, free and very reasonable! It is NOT reasonable to leave your trash for someone else to clean up. It is time people put on their grownup pants and accepted responsibility for their own actions. And while they’re at it, teach their children to do the same. Respect and responsibility have become old-fashioned notions which need to become new norms, as they used to be. People who are too lazy and irresponsible to clean up after themselves need to provide the funds which will pay for the barrels and the people to empty them

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  • I was there yesterday and I have never seen so many rude, obnoxious young people in the seventy + years I’ve been going there.. The parking lot was littered with trash as was the beach. Also the language and actions were disgusting . Someone called the police about all the jerks showing off by diving off the bridge.

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  • Vickie & Peter

    Clearly the Carry In / Carry Out experiment was initiated by dedicated people trying their best to solve the problem of trash on the beaches. The fact that it doesn’t work is not their fault. But it is a fact, nonetheless. And it reflects badly on our community as a whole. Now we must make sure the City (DPW and Mayor) do NOT get away with claiming that this noble, but failed experiment relieves them of the responsibility for keeping our beaches clean. We must pressure them to adopt new policies — something along the lines of what Kim posted seems perfectly reasonable and probably revenue positive in the end. Perhaps an organized e-mail/letter writing campaign could have an effect. This is an election year. Let’s make clean beaches a campaign issue for every City Councillor and Mayoral candidate. Wouldn’t it be great if all candidates agreed that keeping the beaches clean is a priority for the City?

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    • I agree completely, it is our responsibility to keep our beaches, and the entries to our beaches clean.

      So often I come upon the entrance to one of our public beaches where there would logically be a trash can. Instead, there is pile of trash. Now this pile of trash was left from the day before, after the DPW has finished for the day. I am there between 4:30 to 7am. I think the DPW arrives around 7am as well. All evening and early morning the garbage has been there. It is an open invitation to rats and to coyotes. Seagulls and crows are typically dragging the trash all over the street. The wind is blowing the lose plastic and paper everywhere throughout the marsh and into the ocean. Nearly every morning this takes place at Good Harbor Beach and at Wingaersheek Beach.

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    • Donna Joyce Viau

      If you all read my VERY FIRST MESSAGE at the beginning after the first comments by Vicki and Peter, you would all know the history. The CARRY IN CARRY OUT has Not been an experiment..It has been around for nearly 15 years. I don’t know where any of you were in the past when the Clean City Commission was in existence on NO budget for 10 years as I was on it for 7 and co-chair most of that time. We met regularly at city hall and then the chamber of commerce. Anyone was welcome to join and share positive ideas about a community being responsible. Again, I ask you to read all the info. We met for over a year with city councilors, DPW Directors ( we lasted through 3 of them) Head of Parks and Rec, we had a police liason attend and often the mayor ( mayors). We researched the program and its success at other locations. We did the power point, we did the outreach and the long hours on NO BUDGET…we begged, pleaded, wrote articles in the TIMES begging for community concern. We published our documentation of the BEACHES and PARKS WITH BARRELS. We begged for a city DPW schedule change and more staff on Fridays thru Sunday. We suggested every way possible to have the barrels emptied more than 1x a day and we are the ones who found the covered barrels you see elsewhere around the city today but they only claimed money for a small amount that went towards the stagefort park areas People were abusing the ones marked for RECYCLE and still putting trash in those. Many of you in this discussion have lots of negative comments and keep thinking barrels are the answer first and seem to not hear ALL we went through with the city and the residents. Our clean city commission BEGGED. We begged the state and MBTA for workers to come and clean state land, the tracks…Deaf ears. One of our members regularly paid his own crew out of pocket to clean 128 extensions, Washington Street, Train tracks and after Horribles Parade and even Fiesta ( Fiesta was only responsible for 50 foot radius outside St. Peters which didn’t cover the mess. We invited every city councilor, every school committee member, every school principal and the superintendant, the mayor, the police, the DPW to a meeting about Keeping Schools clean. The night of the meeting, one principal showed, one councilor, the mayor, the superintendant and one school committee member. We wrote a grant to get the city block grant to put kids to work in the summer as clean up crews. Many were opposed to us receiving it because they felt people themselves should be keeping the city clean along with our DPW and not to take money from more important things. We did receive it back then and our volunteers had to devote time to run it until eventually it was taken over by the Y. Often we documented things like the city years ago purchased a Mad Vac machine (similar to a street sweeper) for $22,000 dollars. It had to be manually operated and only one or two guys were “trained” to operate. It broke within a year or so and sat there (have no idea what happened to it) We documented illegal dumping like Good Harbor Dumpster with microwaves, TVs..etc…Businesses that had dumpsters being abused and businesses that did their own abusing. We asked the city to put out fines and citations. When my children started O’Maley I went to visit the school for a tour and a cold budweiser was 5 feet from the front door on the ground at 10 o’clock on a Monday morning. I picked up 3 bags of trash in the courtyard before going inside. I ended up having a big private meeting with the then principal and the then superintendant because of a MY VIEW I wrote in the paper after I described my visit and tried to get answers but no one would. Well after I wrote the article, then they would speak to me. I told them exactly what I thought of all the school grounds and how a group of us had been vigilant about EGS school grounds when our kids were there. I said since no one is doing anything for O’Maley I would. The principal was in support and I put up a huge banner over the school entrance done gratis by my husband, advertised everywhere, newspaper, cable, all call home reminders from the principal. We got donations for mulch and bulbs. On the big day 35 people showed up of which 6 were kids (2 being mine). We bagged 35 bags of debris and trash, we weeded and mulched and planted. It was amazing. When my next son went there the next year I offered to do the same thing and the new principal turned me down flat. Working so hard for so long with such little support and the always the same faces doing all the work was exhausting and we The CCC got lots of “aren’t you people so good to do this” but NO BUDGET. We disbanded but kept doing our own thing and our own cleanups…Me not being born here, i was told by some elderly friends of mine of how horrible Gloucester was back in day and how there was constant dumping in the harbor right off the docks. My 80 year old buddy said when he was a boy S_ _ _ was being dumped right in the water off of boats and from homes. He said people would put trash in piles in their yards and bury it. Now I know things have changed and modern day has moved forward but there is a mentality with people who just walk dogs and leave poop bags (ten at the footbridge on Easter) or not even bagged, people who bury cigarettes in the sand, throw out the car window, stomp on ground before they go in a store or take a smoke break at work or a restaurant,(cigarette filters are made of plastic and can take 10+years to break down) people who don’t recycle because it is too much work, people who leave a water bottle, nip, coffee cup, soda, beer bottle where they drank the last drop, THESE ARE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULDN’T USE A BARREL ANYWAY> Even at Harbor Loop concerts the barrel overflows and people still put trash there and the city isn’t coming at night. BEACH money goes into the general fund and just because people pay for something, doesn’t give them the right to be abusive to land and sea, really? I hear there is a new Clean City Commission and I wish them luck. I continue to clean my neighborhood around Gloucester Ave. Since I moved here 5 years ago, i’ve bagged 65 yellow bags of trash. IT IS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY at the BEACH at the PARK at the SCHOOLS and EVERYWHERE.

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  • Simple to me when a man pulled up in front of my residence took his ashtray out and dumped his butt’s by my entrance to my upstairs stairwell we did have a conversation and he did pick them up was not happy with me and called me some choice names been here before I was not intimated! His alternative was talking with local city officials or police his choice and paying a hefty fine! He did the right thing picked them up – I did ask would he do this in front of his residence of course not!

    Yo! Dave

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  • Donna Joyce Viau

    Admittedly sometimes it’s hard to listen to negative rant about something when I want to say where was everybody when we were trying to find resolutions? Where were you all at our meetings week after week, year after year? There are lots of people who pick up here and there on their walks or whatever and show concern which is great. There are people who care but sadly way too many who don’t and it is all over town. Take a look behind the rusty fence under the over pass on Maplewood…. There is obviously a lot or partying going on at the beaches from these piles of trash and what is in them. Party people, especially if underage? which is a possibility are not carrying off anything no matter if it was the beach or the park or the woods. So have at it all you nay sayers…get up to city and hall and walk the walk. If you can’t see supporting and building a program that has so much value is better than destroying it, well that is just sad

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